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  UN/WTS SCANDAL IN USA NEWSPAPER

  by hawkaw in

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  after much hard work a certain person has finally got the story published through a letter to the editor in the san bernardino sun.

  you will find the article in the november 28, 2001 edition of the newspaper in the "opinion" section.

  note the voice of the people section.

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  Sam Beli

  Way to go, Blue and all!

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  what I am thinking......

  by wonderwoman77 in

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  2. experiences

  i do not know if you have read any of my posts under the dating forum, but i have been having some issues with my current relationship.

  for the last month, i feel like i am pushing her away, and i was not sure why.

  well finally this weekend i put my finger on it.

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  Sam Beli

  You are welcome.

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  Class Action Lawsuit

  by mikepence in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am seriously considering finding out what is involved in putting together a lawsuit against the wts.

  one that all xjw's in the us can join in.. has the wts not violated our civil rights, taken away our right to choose, without bias, how to live our lives?

  were not our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness violated?

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  Sam Beli

  Religions have a lot of latitude when it comes to what they want to practice. The US constitution provides for freedom of religion and courts are very reluctant to get involved.

  On a personal level I am with you. If you can find precedent then go for it. It would likely take lots of money to get highly competent attorney to take the case, unless the ACLU became interested. Can you make this issue “politically correct” somehow? Remember, the WTS gets its lawyers for free.

  Good luck!

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  Undeserved kindness vs. Grace

  by TweetieBird in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you guys are probably going to think this is silly of me, but i have always wondered why the society, in the nwt and all of their literature always uses the term "undeserved kindness" and never the term "grace.

  " is it because the churches of christendom use the term grace, therefore it is bad?.

  i know that undeserved kindness is suppose to mean the same as grace, but is it really?

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  Sam Beli

  No one commented on the definitions I posted above, so let me. I’ll repeat them here:

  Kindness:
  1. The quality or state of being kind.
  2. An instance of kind behavior: I will always remember your many kindnesses to me.
  Grace:
  1. Divine love and protection bestowed freely on people. The state of being protected or sanctified by the favor of God
  2. An excellence or power granted by God.

  The word “kindness” seems to me to be somewhat sterile. The expression “undeserved kindness” could be a single act such as sparing one’s life through Armageddon. It tends to “put down” the one receiving the kindness because of their unworthiness.

  Grace, on the other hand, includes love and therefore protection. Loving protection usually does not have limits. The loving giver does not want to lower the self esteem of the recipient

  The definition of Grace I quoted above with the: “state of being protected or sanctified by the favor of God” might sound too much like the state of being “saved” for the GB’s comfort. The WT certainly does not want to give those religions any ammunition for their “once saved always saved” doctrine.

  I like the term “Grace.” The virtues of God’s Grace are extolled in the Hymn “Amazing Grace,” one of the most beautiful songs ever written, IMHO.

  Note: It doesn’t hurt that the prettiest girl I dated in High School was named Grace. I understand that she still sings in the choir of the Methodist church.

  Sam Beli
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  Undeserved kindness vs. Grace

  by TweetieBird in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you guys are probably going to think this is silly of me, but i have always wondered why the society, in the nwt and all of their literature always uses the term "undeserved kindness" and never the term "grace.

  " is it because the churches of christendom use the term grace, therefore it is bad?.

  i know that undeserved kindness is suppose to mean the same as grace, but is it really?

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  Sam Beli

  Looks like a lot of difference to me in the two transplations

  Kindness:

  1. The quality or state of being kind.
  2. An instance of kind behavior: I will always remember your many kindnesses to me.

  Grace:

  1. Divine love and protection bestowed freely on people. The state of being protected or sanctified by the favor of God
  2. An excellence or power granted by God.

  The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  LET'S GET REAL

  by Victor_E in

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  2. friends

  the year is circa 1994 san antonio texas.

  i am sitting in a meeting of elders, ministerial servants and circuit overseer waschak (sp?).

  the final topic of a form letter from the society is sexual abuse.

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  Sam Beli

  Hello Victor,

  In my experience JWs are far too free with medical advice. It seems that the more ignorant one is the freer he/she is with opinions on such subjects.

  Once, when I was too sick to attend meetings during the CO’s visit, he called me Sunday evening (never did come by my house to visit) to suggest that I see a “brother” about 90 miles away about my illness. Seems this “brother” was a laboratory technician. I had an excellent physician and I would get better, but my condition (hepatitis) required bed rest for a few weeks.

  This ignorant CO assumed that a witness lab technician would be of more help than a well trained M.D. Such ignorance!

  The Wt.’s advice regarding immune therapy, mental health and transfusion therapy is nothing short of barbaric. The latest scandal regarding sexual abuse follows the same WT pattern of criminal incompetence.

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  Is anybody into alternative remedies?

  by ashitaka in

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  2. friends

  i have a friend who has had cfs for ten years.

  he is on traditional treatments, but they never seem so work out.

  it takes him weeks to get over a mild case of the flu.

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  Sam Beli

  You said: “He's already been to all the doctors…” Is this really true? I notice that you are from the “Congo, Democratic Republic of.” Is he also located there? If so, I have not idea what medical care is like.

  If you were in the USA I’d ask of he has he been to one of the truly fine University Medical Centers for evaluation? There are also fine centers located throughout Europe and Asia with which I am familiar. If he has only seen local physicians it is possible that a trip elsewhere might be fruitful.

  The alternatives usually result only in extra expense and disappointment.

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  Zev's UN/WTS Scandal Web Site

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  zev's internet site is up and running at:.

  ( http://www.geocities.com/plowbitch69/.

  zev's site will have a few more features added to it by next week.

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  Sam Beli

  bttt

  Well done, Zev.

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  Helping JW's Understand What They're In

  by Outaservice in

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  2. friends

  a previous poster listed the site below and in case any of you might have missed it, i'm reintroducing it for you to look up.. < http://xfiles.coolchannel.com/rutherford//index.shtml&gt;.

  a 'riot'!.

  outaservice (used to be out-in-service)

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  Sam Beli

  Please check your link, it does not work.

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon
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  Enabling - Good or Bad

  by indireneed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've got a bit of a question, or maybe a poll .

  .. my wife is a jw and i am not.

  that pretty much sums up or life.

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  Sam Beli

  Hello Roy,

  My condolences on your most difficult situation. For starters I recommend the book Combating Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassen. Steve is a foremost authority on the subject of his book. Randy Watters of www.freeminds.org has worked with Steve (if my memory is correct) and may also be of some help.

  Steve has a web site too, I think, and if you find him. I’m sure he will offer some help/suggestions.

  My best wishes for success.

  Sam Beli

  I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon